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Training to failure
« on: July 28, 2012, 01:12:42 PM »
I'm going to be starting a 4 day shockwave split and my question is about training to failure. The warm-up sets I realize you wouldn't. As far as the ELECT and Normal sets, I'm not sure. As far as the ELECT sets, is the last of the 5 mini-sets done in a normal rep performance manner to failure? Should I train normal sets to failure? For example if I should do 10 reps of an exercise, should I fail on an attempted 11th rep?

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 01:42:26 PM »
For ELECT the last set you should be on or near failure. If you can only do 2 or 3 and know you can't do another, you are doing it right.
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Training to failure
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 02:09:14 PM »
Not to failure but the last two should be a good working set
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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 06:46:42 AM »
How do you guys load your sets?  I would imagine a good load for the final set would be say 80%? 

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 03:21:06 PM »
I have a question about the last of the mini-ELECT sets. Should rep performance be ELECT or normal?

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Training to failure
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 03:27:26 PM »
How do you guys load your sets?  I would imagine a good load for the final set would be say 80%?

I do mine 65/70/75/80/85% just for my compound lifts.
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Training to failure
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 03:28:01 PM »
I have a question about the last of the mini-ELECT sets. Should rep performance be ELECT or normal?

Meaning? ELECT should performed as normal.
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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 04:03:19 PM »
My understanding in the first 4 mini-sets all reps should be a short negative, as quick a turn-around as possible into an explosive positive. If any reps in those first 4 sets should turn into a grinder, I should stop to preserve my Central Nervous system. In regards to the 5th set, the working set, I was wondering if the same rep performance is required and if a rep turns into a grinder, I should stop or it's okay to continue to work to just before failure. I hope that makes sense.

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2012, 07:30:04 AM »
You guys keep confusing ELECT with PSR.  ELECT is the fashion in which a rep is done.  A one second eccentric phase and then an explosive contraction.  You can do a normal straight set with ELECT reps.  PSR is when you do the five mini sets.

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2012, 07:35:17 AM »
You guys keep confusing ELECT with PSR.  ELECT is the fashion in which a rep is done.  A one second eccentric phase and then an explosive contraction.  You can do a normal straight set with ELECT reps.  PSR is when you do the five mini sets.

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2012, 04:02:25 PM »
Alright, thank you. I appreciate it.

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2012, 04:19:13 PM »
Okay, let me ask one more question. I just want to make sure I get the basic gist. For example, in the Shockwave e-book for the Incline Iso Hammer Press it states the performance is ELECT. So in other words short eccentric, explosive concentric. It says 5 sets, 3 reps for each set. For that exercise should I use PSR or do 5 normal sets?

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2012, 04:21:58 PM »
Okay, let me ask one more question. I just want to make sure I get the basic gist. For example, in the Shockwave e-book for the Incline Iso Hammer Press it states the performance is ELECT. So in other words short eccentric, explosive concentric. It says 5 sets, 3 reps for each set. For that exercise should I use PSR or do 5 normal sets?

You are doing a PSR/Ramp set type, while using ELECT rep type

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Re: Training to failure
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2012, 05:08:22 PM »
Alright, thanks.